Campbell
Mon 13 Oct 2008, 1851, Mon 13 Oct 2008
In response to Kavadas' question of who is the major backer of prop 8 in California, its the Mormons. They have provided the vast majority of the financial backing for it. There are two cases where individual families are dumping their entire savings and kids college funds into the prop, one family donated $50k, another $35k this is just crazy, that's their kids college fund...
The problem the religious types have is that the gay's want to use the word "married" to define their relationship. The word is religious in nature but is built into the secular structure. My solution is to remove the word married from all secular documents, regardless of gender, color or creed, so as far as the state is concerned, no one gets married, just joined in civil union. If someone wants to get "married" they have to go to a church for a separate, non state sanctioned ceremony. However this will never happen because the christians who want gay's to not use their word would be equally offended if the word were removed from secular language.
So this boils down to an issue of freedom. You are born in the US and are a US citizen with all rights that the status carries with it. You have many freedom's, but as soon as you are born you start entering various societies and whatnot that feel you should limit your freedoms for their various reasons, ie the religious refusal to have homosexual marriage. It is these christians choice to limit their freedom, not the state or anyone else's choice, therefore they have no right to limit other people's choice by forcing it into the state or even federal constitution.
This is further complicated because the word marriage is used so lightly these days, and there are congregations that welcome homosexuals, and perform gay marriages, who's to say that these gay christian splinter groups are not allowed to use the christian word "marriage"? No one is.
For anyone who cares, voting No on 8 will keep things the way they are, ala gay marriage is legal in california. The mormons and many, many other religious groups are dumping millions of dollars into my airwaves to convince folk to vote yes, and ban gay marriage once and for all.
I oppose the ban simply because it forces one religions values onto the rest of society. I favor freedom for all in situations like this. If the damn christians don't want to have gay marriage with eachother, then good for them, but they can't be allowed to force that value on everyone ese. I am not gay, I don't want to ever marry another dude, but I'm not going to tell em they cant just because I don't like the idea.
The problem the religious types have is that the gay's want to use the word "married" to define their relationship. The word is religious in nature but is built into the secular structure. My solution is to remove the word married from all secular documents, regardless of gender, color or creed, so as far as the state is concerned, no one gets married, just joined in civil union. If someone wants to get "married" they have to go to a church for a separate, non state sanctioned ceremony. However this will never happen because the christians who want gay's to not use their word would be equally offended if the word were removed from secular language.
So this boils down to an issue of freedom. You are born in the US and are a US citizen with all rights that the status carries with it. You have many freedom's, but as soon as you are born you start entering various societies and whatnot that feel you should limit your freedoms for their various reasons, ie the religious refusal to have homosexual marriage. It is these christians choice to limit their freedom, not the state or anyone else's choice, therefore they have no right to limit other people's choice by forcing it into the state or even federal constitution.
This is further complicated because the word marriage is used so lightly these days, and there are congregations that welcome homosexuals, and perform gay marriages, who's to say that these gay christian splinter groups are not allowed to use the christian word "marriage"? No one is.
For anyone who cares, voting No on 8 will keep things the way they are, ala gay marriage is legal in california. The mormons and many, many other religious groups are dumping millions of dollars into my airwaves to convince folk to vote yes, and ban gay marriage once and for all.
I oppose the ban simply because it forces one religions values onto the rest of society. I favor freedom for all in situations like this. If the damn christians don't want to have gay marriage with eachother, then good for them, but they can't be allowed to force that value on everyone ese. I am not gay, I don't want to ever marry another dude, but I'm not going to tell em they cant just because I don't like the idea.